Friday, September 30, 2022

INTERVIEW: 80% Of Youths Who Want To Go Into Politics Cannot Compete With Our Grand-Fathers Who Had Acquired Wealth From Politics – Ugwumba Uche Nwosu.

The President of Ugwumba Centre for Leadership Development in Africa, Uche Nwosu says that one of the major problems young people have with joining politics in Nigeria is the issue of finance, as most of them are not willing to compete with moneybags who had monopolized the system with their wealth and are not willing to give way to the younger generation to take over. 

As one of the youngest Commissioners of his time, holding the portfolio of Lands in Imo State, later becoming a Chief of Staff to a Governor at a very young age, we asked him to take us through his journey as not only a Commissioner or Chief of Staff, but through his journey contesting the very coveted seat as Governorship candidate of the Action Alliance in Imo State and these are the outcome of the very lengthy, but comprehensive interview.

Enjoy as we take you through the ride with Ugwumba Uche Nwosu. Excerpts.

Q: Give us an insight into your journey with humanitarian services and helping people, especially the youth?

I have discovered that you cannot go wrong with helping young people, and I discovered this during my election, that even when I moved from the APC to AA within a space of two months, the young people followed me and I defeated everyone who contested with me in that election. As a Commissioner and later Chief of Staff, I tried it and that was the best decision I ever made. These are the people that will grow and remember where they are coming from. I have helped so many young people and I told myself that I cannot stop because of how I started.

Q: How did all start with you? Did you stumble on this? 

When I started my life, my father died 1983, we were left with my senior brother who was a Custom Officer, but he died in 1987, 4years after and our lives became very miserable, so I had to join my uncle in Maiduguri, so, when I came back from Maiduguri, I had a friend called Abdulraman Zubairu, a Muslim, we were very close, if I’m going to the school chapel, Abduraman would follow me, and wait outside till I was done and we would go home. On Fridays, if he is going to the Mosque too, I will follow him too and wait till after prayers and both of us will go home together too. That was my understanding of Christian and Islamic relationship, we would sit together, share notes of both the Bible and the Quran, while Abdulraman would tell me things in the Quran, I would share thing in the Bible with him to too to the extent that that we both discovered that the only difference in our believes was Jesus Christ. While Muslims believe that Christ is a prophet, Christians believe that He is the son of God. While they believe that God does not son or brother and mother as the Almighty, we believe that  He is the son God knowing that and that we have God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. So, we were very close. I did Arabic language in my JSS1, JSS2, Arabic language does not mean that one is being converted to Islam, it is like French language, Chinese language, English language, Igbo language and the likes. Then, it was a must to do one language in school and there was nobody to teach one Igbo language in the North, so I opted for Hausa language, then my friend, Abdulraman was doing Arabic language, so I followed him and we doing Arabic together, we could write the language fluently, as you know, you don’t write Arabic straight wards, but leftwards, so when I got home after the school one day, I told my uncle that I could write his name in Arabic language, he was shocked as a Pastor and asked if I meant it that I could write his name in Arabic and I said yes, he then asked me to go ahead and write his name, I did, he didn’t say anything but out of shock, that evening, he called my mum and told her that I was about to be converted to a Muslim. My mother cried and asked that they should bring be back to Aba, Abia State immediately, so the following day, my uncle told me that my mum asked him to bring me back home, that if he doesn’t, she was going to kill herself, that was how I found myself back to Aba, after crying my heart out.

 Then, when I got to Aba, life became difficult, my sister who was second to my late elder brother, her salary then was 5000, with that 5000, she was living in a one room in  face me, I face you compound, so we were all there, my mum, myself and my other siblings, we were 5 in that room. So, what we did was, when we come back from school, my mum would have arranged the trays, if it was the time of any fruits in season, oranges, udara, corns, groundnuts, etc., so, by the time you drop your bag, you just grabbed your own corn, eat and off you go. I would trek from Ogbor hill, Umungasi, cross-road, Osisioma, mevation, Ariari, name them, I was trekking, but in those my trekking, what I told myself each time I saw the children of rich men, was that I would be like them one day. You know when you are carrying your wears on your head and you are shouting to attract customers, my mum taught us even how to cut oranges like Hausa people and how to sell your corn very well.

So, this was how we started our journey in Aba, we hawked and hawked until I finished my secondary school, got admission into school of basic studies in Port-Harcourt, my elder sister said no, that she doesn’t want me to go that school. I got another one at Abia Poly, I went and after 3months, I told my mum that I didn’t like Abia Polytechnic, the, I got another one with Imo State University, but there was no money to pay, my mum said we should call my uncle who stayed in Onitsha, we called him and he asked why I was in a hurry to go to school, that I should come and start trading, that everyone alive will go to school, I refused and ran to the village in protest, telling them that I won’t return to Aba until I go to school. So, my mum had to sell some of the jewelries my elder brother bought for her while he was with the Nigerian Custom, my sister sold her own, we borrowed money with some of our lands, that was how I got to Imo State University.

After the first session in school, I told myself that I was not going to ask my mum for money anymore, I started hustling. During the weekends, I would go to the village and locate any building site, started carrying blocks and handing the bricklayers’ blocks, I learnt how to lay the clocks myself. So, each weekend, I would make 10 thousand, sometimes, 20 thousand Naira and nobody knew any of these then, until one day, I was in my hostel, I saw some people campaigning and I asked what was going on and was told they were doing Student Union Government something, my spirit told me I can do it, what is there and that was how I entered into student unionism. I came to class one day and told my friends that I want to run for office in the student election and they started laughing at me, asking if I thought student election was a joke to me, that all the people seeking positions in the student union are all cultists, they will kill me, I wasn’t deterred by their unbelief, I went for one job, made some money, came back and printed my campaign posters, going for the office of Director of Transport.

When it was time to start campaigning, I would tell them that you see, after close of school, I will bring ABC Transport to this school and it will take you people to Lagos, Abuja and Onitsha. That changed the narrative for me as they all started calling me A, B, C, that was how I knew Linus Okorie, who was running for SUG President, my own slogan became very popular, my friend, Chigozie from Mbaise, the brother worked with ABC Transport, the guy wore the ABC transport uniform and came for one of my campaign and I told them that I had to bring the manager of ABC Transport here so that when I win, the man would bring the bus regularly  and immediately they saw my friend, Chigozie and his brothers uniform he wore to school that day, they started shouting and hailing me. That was how I won that election as Director of Transport in the Student Union Government that year.

From Director of Transport, I became the Secretary of Student Union Government, SUG, from Secretary of SUG, I became the Secretary of National Association of Nigerian Students, NANS, Imo State chapter, from there, I became the National Mobilization Officer of NANS, that was how I knew Philip Shuaibu, now Deputy Governor of Delta State, who was then contesting for the National President of NANS. As the National Mobilization Officer of NANS, part of my duty was to mobilize students whenever there were demonstrations, which also was how I got to know Comrade Adams Oshiomhole as Labour Leader, so when Adams wants to call for demonstrations, he would call Philip and Philip would call me and I will assemble Student Union Presidents from different states, we will mobilize, which was how Philip got close to Adams, all of us, from there we started meeting Chief Emmanuel Iwuanyanwu, Achike Udenwa, I met Rochas, when he contested the first Governorship election, he lost, every other person left, but I stayed, we were like 8 people that met him, when he lost that election, towards the end of my school, others left, Kenneth didn’t go, Agafe remained and this Deputy Chief of Staff to Hope Uzodinma now, just the 4 of us, we told him, your excellency, we want to remain with you, anywhere you go, we follow you, not because of money, but we want to remain your boys, that was how after sometime, Emeka and Agafe left, remaining I and Kenneth, we stayed with Owelle until he became Governor. Those of them that left started regretting why left, which is what I tell young people today, don’t jump from here to there, there is always a process to everything, things man you think has died politically, will rise up again. 

That was how Owelle became Governor, made me Commissioner for Lands, made me Chief of Staff, so, when the outcry arose against me with people saying and asking questions about my pedigree and so on, I just sit and look because none of them knew how I started with Rochas. This is why today, whenever I see people who don’t have, I feel for them from the bottom of my heart because I have been there. When you see somebody selling ordinary groundnut, you wouldn’t know what that person maybe going through, because then, when I would be hawking, the kind of insults and humiliation I would receive, especially after seeing children of my age in their parents cars going to school while I was on the road hawking, but those challenges didn’t get into me, as all I kept telling myself then was, I will be like them, because my mum taught us never to look at where we were coming from, but lo forward to a brighter future.

Q: Are you saying Your Excellency sir, that some of the challenges and deprivations you faced then culminated into what you’re doing right now? 

Exactly!!!

Yes, my mum encouraged me because she was a great giver. You know when she died, she died of cancer, immediately she died, some street hawkers all assembled in her house crying and wailing, so, my sister started asking them questions. Which was when they all started confessing all the good things my mum did for them. It was then I realized that if I sent 500k to my mum now, within 3 days, she would call, demanding for more, telling me that the money I sent to her in less than one week is finished. I will question her and she would get angry, asking if I wanted to tell her how to spend her own money, then I will keep quiet. It was at her death that I realized that she was giving those monies to be shared amongst the less privileged. That was how my mum taught me how to give and when I met Owelle Rochas Okorocha too, I now understood that there is a huge reward in giving and impacting the lives of others.

I was with Owelle, when we went to Enugu to honor Madam Ngozi Okonjo Iweala when she was give an award by Umuada Igbo as the Political Adviser to President Olusegun Obasanjo, we went to Enugu to celebrate with her, but by the time we were done and got to the airport, we saw the Sosoliso flight leaving Enugu Airport. The minister of state for finance then, Nemadi Usman  said she was going to Lagos from Enugu, she had a private jet Dangote gave to her, Owelle agreed, so we could go to Abuja from Lagos, on getting to Lagos, I bought ticket for Owelle, bought for his Orderly, Andrew, and bought for myself. Belview, the last flight, 7:30.  The MD of one of the banks was there, Chief Joseph Igwe, Chairman of Bolingo Hotel and a former Special Adviser to Chief Obasanjo from Kaduna were there too. So, they were discussing and waiting for the flight to land, and when they called for boarding, others left, the only person who was still with Rochas at this time was the former MD of one bank, Owelle excused us to ease himself, leaving myself and that MD who engaged me in discussions on where I am from and where he was from, so he now told me to tell his friend that is Owelle, that he was going to board and that they would meet on the plane. So, I was waiting for Owelle and when he came out from the rest room, his eyes were red, very red and angry, I said sir, what is it? Are you ok sir? He now said he doesn’t think we should travel to Abuja that day, I now protested to the fact that the plane had landed and we didn’t have any change of clothing, which was why we even came through Lagos in the first place, he insisted we must not travel, there was only one girl left at the VIP Lounge, she asked him too if he was not traveling anymore, which he answered in the affirmative, requesting we should get a taxi because we didn’t have any vehicle in Lagos then, the lady went out and got a taxi for us and we now left.

But I and the orderly were very angry with Owelle’s decision because we didn’t have any change of clothes with us, nothing at all with us. We now took him to Sheraton to lodge, and we went to look for a smaller hotel around to stay, I was in my room on the bed thinking about to get what to wear and how to manage myself the following day when the orderly rushed into my room asking me to put on AIT and we were shocked to learn that the Bellview airline we were supposed to board had been declared missing through the scroll message on the screen of AIT. “My brother, this was how I was on the bed, looking at the TV and the TV was looking at me”. For more than 20mins, I was dazed and calls starting pouring in like water. I was trying to convince them that we did not board the aircraft, they refused to listen to me, because what we do sometimes is that when we get to the airport and there are available seats, it’s either Oga and his orderly goes and we wait or we go before them, depending on the occasion.

People were calling and Owelle himself had switched off his phone and slept off, because according to him, he had headache, and knew he needed to rest, so he switched off and slept. I and the orderly stopped a taxi and ran off to Sheraton where Owelle was and when we got to his room, we started knocking on the room door and it took him time to wake up and said, “WHAT IS IT? With his sleepy eyes” and we told him that plane had crashed and he was dazed. He then told us to come in and I told him that his wife had been trying to reach him, that was when he now put on his phone and calls starting pouring in again, everywhere calls and that was how God saved Owelle and by extension, myself.

In the morning when we came back to Abuja, Newspapers published the manifest of the crashed aircraft and our names were there, even when people did not know we were supposed to be in that plain. Come and see, all the Rochas Foundation College Ibadan, Kano, Jos, Owerri were all crying in their locations as the only schools we had then. Children and their parents were all wailing across the country, with the believe that Rochas was in the plain that had crashed, Rochas Group here, his office, crowd gathered that morning and women were everywhere crying and the next thing, we appeared and it was like movie to them. One woman came and told Owelle in Hausa was, ‘Walai, that you are alive today is the cry of those children you are feeding’ God save and brought you back so you would continue taking care of these motherless poor children you are taking care of across the country, with free education, food and accommodation when everyone had abandoned them.

So, when you look at it my brother, there was nothing that would have stopped us from boarding that flight that very day. In fact, if that MD had not left to board and was waiting for Owelle to return from the rest room, he would have convinced Owelle to board that flight that day, especially knowing that it was the last flight of the day, but God simply pushed him to go board before Owelle returned from the restroom that day, just to save Owelle and myself. I have come to discover that God has a way of using him, leave the political sides of him, Owelle Rochas Okorocha has grace.

Apart from my mum, when I met Owelle, I saw somebody with the passion to help the poor and I was like, if somebody like Rochas who has everything could do what he does and could afford to use his money anyhow he wants to use it, that shaped me further and in fact, I have the believe that if somebody ask for 10naira and you don’t have that 10naira, if is 2naira you can afford, give, if it is 3naira, give. If someone come to your house and ask for 1 cup of rice and you don’t have that 1 cup of rice, if it is 1 spoon you have, give to that person, don’t allow that person to go empty handed and God had told that person to come to you and God did so because know you have the capacity to render that help.

So, that’s my story and I am proud to share it any day, even amongst people who say they want to be like me and I ask them if they would go through the process I went through in life.

Let me tell you a story. I have a big poultry farm in Owerri, Imo State, so, whenever I go home, there are some youths in my village that I give money to regularly. I continued to give them money all the time till a day came, I invited them to Owerri, they came and I asked how many of them would like to go into farming and they started grumbling, and I was like, so, I would come and give you guys money and you would be eating my money, some of which came from this same farming I am trying to introduce you people to? They didn’t believe me and I stopped giving them money. In fact, I went home twice or more and never gave them money, until one or two of them came back to me to grudgingly to accept the offer and they are doing well today. One is into poultry and the other one is into fishery.

Some of our youths don’t really know what they want because they don’t have mentors. The truth is, 99% of Nigerian youths don’t have mentors and their parents are not there for them with the intricacies of our environment now where parents leave for work in the morning and return late at night when the children may have gone to sleep, leaving children with maids to care for. The people the children now see as role models are boys into Yahoo Yahoo and the people they see on Social Media. Their role models will no longer be teachers or civil servants or a roadside vulcanizer who is able to pick your money on the road and return it to you, but boys on the fast lane putting wrist-watches of 1million naira and drives cars of 20million without asking how the wealth came about.

It is a mistake and an issue we have in this country, which is why I still advocate for the inclusion of Guidance and Counseling in all our schools, starting from Primary and Secondary schools and that it must be made compulsory. When I was in secondary school in Maiduguri, we had teachers responsible for Guidance and Counseling, who were in charge of overseeing children and their behaviors. If you have a problem, the teacher talks to you and by the time that teacher finish talking to you, you would know your stand. We must turn the hands of the clock to let our people know that life indeed is a process and that all that glitters is not gold.

Q: Tell us some of the things you do at Ugwumba Leadership Centre?

Answer: What we do here is, with what I went through in life, I decided that I needed to create a platform to not only educate the youths, but also, train them, like most of them, money is not their problem, they can actually look for money, putting the money to better use is the problem of some.

What we do here, 1, we train young people in leadership, not only to be leaders in their businesses, but in their homes, we train them on how to lead from secondary school, how to lead in their communities and the qualities of good leadership. Most of our youths believe that ones you in politics, you are a leader, but that’s not true because we have some of our elected people who are occupying various positions of authorities who do not have leadership qualities at all. 

We also do what we call. “Enterprise Challenge”, which is a platform the Ugwumba Leadership Centre uses to hunt for talents, graduates though, who probably have business ideas but don’t have the funds to execute. What we do is, we pick 10 of them, empower them. We have empowered so many of them, in fact, there was Bilkisu who read Architecture, but she was not doing what she read in school, she started using condemn tyres to do tables, in fact, she did this portrait with coconut shells (points at the portrait in his office), we picked her, she won that edition of the Enterprise Challenge, with what she won and the exposure we gave to her, she now exports her products to the United States of America and she is making a lot of money in foreign currency. She, Bilkisu is very privileged to have trained over 50 students in an American University, when they saw what she was producing, they started asking how somebody would be able to produce tables with condemn tyres, I mean, things one can’t imagine, they invited her to train them and she did. There are so many of them like that.

The winner of the latest edition is in the US, she is into diffusers, we saw her diffuser, picked interest in her, the panel of judges picked her and she is doing well now.

We have partners also who by the grace of God had helped us to train thousands of young Nigerians, the last training we did, we got 250,000 Dollars, not cash though, but on scholarship to a University to train 150 young Nigerians from the Ugwumba Leadership Centre for masters certificates from the US. In fact, some of them got extra certificates from the US online. There is a woman from the UK who did the same thing, paid over 50 thousand pounds to train our young people here. This is exactly what we do here, we go for those young Nigerians who think that life has either ended or is about to end, who think that because they don’t have anybody, it is finished for them. We encourage them and make them believe that their destinies are in their hands.

We also promote the image of Nigeria at Ugwumba Leadership Centre, we actually believe that there is power in spoken words, when you say Nigeria Jagajaga, Nigeria will always go Jagajaga. When you say in this country, we are finished, truly, we will be finished. We encourage young Nigerians not to say bad things about Nigeria. Why don’t we emulate Americans who whenever you see them, they are saying, God bless America, why don’t we as Nigerians also say, God bless Nigeria and pray for our leaders, because if you condemn leaders from now till thine kingdom come, it will not solve the problems of this country, the only thing that can solve the problem is to speak good about the country.

We have met and partnered with so many embassies, Sweden embassy, Polish embassy, UK embassy, Denmark, Norway, Trinidad and Tobego, US, Canadian embassy, so many of them, Ministry of Trade and Investment, Ministry of Information, Ministry of Interior and the Ministry of Youths. These are government agencies and embassies we are partnering with in our bid to contribute our quota to better the lives of the Nigerian youths.

We also do our pitching every end of the year, around December, where thousands of youths apply, we pick 10 and others would go home with the training and the ideas they garnered from here because we give them certificates too.

Q: Could you take us through the humanitarian sides of you and the center?

Answer: On that side, we go after people we think cannot find help in the society. Let’s take the case of Mary, the lady I saw on the Social Media, I was reading through her story and noticed that everybody in the comment section of the story were saying, God help her, God will see you through, God will provide for you, just prayers, without providing her the actual solution she required or somebody offering her succor, all were prayers and best wishes, so, I was touched by her situation and wrote there that I needed her contact, which I got, I flew to Lagos, met with her, interviewed her and she told me she had been sleeping under the bridge in Lagos, she had a kid, nobody to help her and I told her I would do something for her. I and my friends, in fact, I was supposed to give her 500k, but when I got there, my friend Chigozie saw her and said he would give her 200k, Bala 100k, another, 100k and another, 50k, so at the end, we made 1million naira, and I gave her the 1million. But I told her I was going to do something for her, that I would take her picture and put it out on Social Media, that I would ask Nigerians to help her, she agreed, saying that was what she had been waiting for all her life, that she would be happy if I do it for her, that she had suffered, I did it and within 24hrs of posting her picture out, calls started coming in from everywhere, people that said they wanted her to come to the US, the wife of the Governor of Kogi State, Lagos State Government took over her matter, she now called to say thank you and I told her, that it was her time.

We don’t do these things for us to be praised, we do it because it is part of us, we want to impact on human lives.

Apart from her, there was another boy who built an aircraft that could fly for like 5mins, his name is Kenneth Akobundu, we are still looking for a University to send him to so he could further learn the ropes to become something tomorrow. 

There is another one too in Oyo State, Ibikunle somebody who is crippled and said he wanted to build shoes, we asked him how much he would need, and he told us 500k. We rented a shop for him, bought the machine he would need and set him up.

The last was the one-leg guy whom somebody posted and tagged me on Social Media too. I asked for his details, I got them, when I arrived Owerri, I invited him over, he came with his mother, who told me that he had been sitting at home, waiting for his brothers to give him money, so, one day he woke up and decided not to stay at home anymore, but to go and hustle for himself. So, he started work with a construction site, started carrying blocks and before you know what was going on, you can’t even know if he has two or one leg anymore because he became more or less independent like others. I asked him what he wanted to do, he said he wants to start selling building materials and it would cost him like 200k to start with shop. We gave him 300k, I gave him that 300k on a Monday, by Tuesday, the General Overseer of OPM, called, saying he saw the story of that young man and wants to take over the guys case. He called him and promised to take him outside the country to see what they can do for him from there, especially with his leg.

What we do at Ugwumba Leadership Centre is to contribute our quota to the vulnerable and less privileged people in our society and we do it out of our hearts, there is nothing like politics in what we do here, we’ve been doing this before politics and we cannot stop in or out of politics. It is totally different thing from the politics we play and the DG of the centre can attest to this. We are careful about people we bring into our centre, you can go and play your politics, but here, is not a political office.

Q: What would you say has been your greatest achievement in politics?

Answer: My greatest achievement in politics is being able to let the young people to know that they can excel in Nigerian politics because, initially, they were of the belief that politics is meant for older people from the age of 60 and the older people made the youths believe that even at the age of 40, you still needed to grow, even at age 50, they say they are still young, my happiness is that as a Commissioner for Land in Imo State and I want to express my gratitude to Owelle Rochas Okorocha who appointed me when I was 35 old and at the age of 35, I became the Chief of Staff, one of the youngest. I made sure that I brought as many young people as I could into political relevance in Imo State, by the time I left, we had like 70% of the Commissioners young, 70% of Local Government Chairmen, Counselors, Advisers all young people. In the House of Assembly then, almost 80% of members were young people, courtesy of my intervention. So, that I would say, was my greatest achievement in politics, bringing young people onboard and making them know that this politics does not belong to our fathers, but to all of us.

Q: But do you think that the same young people you are working for have all it takes to be in politics and make meaningful contributions?

Answer: YES THEY DO. The misunderstanding is that they think that the young people are not ready, but we are ready and you cannot use one or two bad eggs amongst us to qualify all the young people. Looking at what is happening today, from the time the British handed over power to us, if you look at people like Gowon, Ojukwu, Shagari, look at their ages, you will agree with me that this is the time for young people. Even President Buhari then and former President Obasanjo all did well as youths, they kept this country together and you say the young people now cannot do it at the age of 30, 40, then we are lying to ourselves. 

It is not true that young people are not competent or capable, just give us the opportunity and allow us run things in the country and see how things will turnaround.

Q: What in your opinion are the greatest changes challenges young people face in politics today? 

Answer: MONEY, MONEY, and MONEY again. You know, 80% of the young people who wants to go into politics cannot compete with our fathers who had acquired so much wealth from politics and made so much money. Take a look at the nomination forms of political parties, how many youths can afford 40 or 100million to run for presidency, or 2.5million for House of Assembly, or 500k for anything? When you look at the money involved and then you look at votes buying, even after you suffer to get the nomination form and you go the field for election, you will be looking at people taking more than 500k per vote you will ask yourself if the whole exercise is worth it.  If we can stop money politics in Nigeria, then we would be able to have the best of us and contest for election and the best will emerge.

Q: Can it ever happen in this country?

Answer: It can, it’s just for us to educate the voters. The voters have less education on the issue of vote buying, because when aspirants give them that 50k or 500k, it can only last for a few days. Some of them, when they come to Abuja and you give them the money, before the return to their place, the money would have depleted, because when free money comes like that, some of them would look for beer parlors to eat nkwobi and isiewu and before you say Jack Robinson, the money is gone. So, would you like to eat 500k now and suffer for the next 20yrs or you want to ignore the 500k and have a better life for yourself.

It is education. I am even surprised that what we have as National Orientation is no longer what we used to know as National Orientation Agency. I remember when Professor Jerry Gana was the DG of the agency before he later became Minister of Information, there was no day you’ll tune to your radio and not hear Prof. Jerry Gana talking sense into people. So, it is the job of the National Orientation Agency to educate the people, nobody hears about them anymore. It is as if the agency is dead.

Q: When Are we hearing anything about Uche Nwosu again, especially as it relates to Politics? 

Answer: Oh! Uche Nwosu and politics right? Well, for now, we have elections in February and March of 2023 and my interest is to make sure that those of them who are capable are being elected into the House of Assembly, into the House of Representatives and also into the Senate and a president that would unite and unify the country, not a president that will tell us where he is coming from but a president that would neither see himself as an Hausa man, Igbo man, Kanuri man or Yoruba man, Ishekhiri, Tiv, in fact,  a man who is an embodiment of Nigerianness, that is my interest for now in 2023 and nothing personal yet.

Q: What do you think, as a Son Inlaw to Owelle Rochas Okorocha, having lost his Senatorial seat to another?

Answer: Well, Owelle Rochas Okorocha contested to be the presidential candidate of our Party, in the last primaries and he lost. I believe that whatever happens to one in life is a coma, not a full-stop, it is only God that would decide when your full-stop will come and not anyone of us. He hasn’t told me what his political future is for now, but I believe that he is a politician and a seasoned one for that matter, when the time is ripe, he will make a statement on where he is going and what he is  up to.

Q: In which other states are Ugwumba Leadership Centre resident?

Answer: We are in the 36 states and the FCT. We have coordinators in all the states. 

Q: If I want to apply for anything, be it training or for assistance, how do I apply? 

Answer: We have presence on all Social Media platforms, on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Linkedin, by mail, just Google us and our office located here in Abuja to anyone. Just walk in, our Director General is open to receive you, we run an open doors, we don’t run a secret cult here, an open society.

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